~nimda[s]*
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Jan 10, 2006 23:03:37 GMT 1
Post by ~nimda[s]* on Jan 10, 2006 23:03:37 GMT 1
he was jesus for a reason, if he can turn water into wine, he can rise from the dead after committing a mortal sin, ok?
he did have a choice, we always have a choice, fatalism disgusts me
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Jan 11, 2006 16:11:34 GMT 1
Post by Administrator on Jan 11, 2006 16:11:34 GMT 1
jesus is god's son. He doesn't commit mortal sins. He was there to aviod them.
However, in my opionion it's only suicide if you CHOOSE to die without any foreign influence. And it's only suicde if you commit the act that kills you yourself. Jesus didn't nailed himself on the cross.
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~nimda[s]*
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Jan 11, 2006 23:39:54 GMT 1
Post by ~nimda[s]* on Jan 11, 2006 23:39:54 GMT 1
Hey, standing infront of a train and getting run over merits the title "foreign influence"...
Knowing you're gonne die if you don't change the current course of actions merits the title "suicide", so jesus, as he said himself, wasn't perfect, he killed himself
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Nømad
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Jan 13, 2006 19:36:32 GMT 1
Post by Nømad on Jan 13, 2006 19:36:32 GMT 1
jesus is god's son. He doesn't commit mortal sins. He was there to aviod them. However, in my opionion it's only suicide if you CHOOSE to die without any foreign influence. And it's only suicde if you commit the act that kills you yourself. Jesus didn't nailed himself on the cross. He could've hiked to some desolate forest somewhere. And being the son of god he should be able to save himself from basically anything. Striker's right. He had a choice and making the choice he knew would lead to death means he committed suicide.
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Jan 14, 2006 19:38:54 GMT 1
Post by Administrator on Jan 14, 2006 19:38:54 GMT 1
Making the choise is one part of suicide, but not the whole thing. In my opinion you don't commit suicide if you don't do the act that kills you by yourself. Else it would be help for death or how you call it (In german it's called "Sterbehilfe". Couldn't find a translation).
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Nømad
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Jan 14, 2006 20:07:06 GMT 1
Post by Nømad on Jan 14, 2006 20:07:06 GMT 1
Making the choise is one part of suicide, but not the whole thing. In my opinion you don't commit suicide if you don't do the act that kills you by yourself. Else it would be help for death or how you call it (In german it's called "Sterbehilfe". Couldn't find a translation). So standing in front of an approaching train and deliberately not moving isn't suicide?
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PeA
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Jan 14, 2006 22:26:19 GMT 1
Post by PeA on Jan 14, 2006 22:26:19 GMT 1
he did go there because he had no choise. And it was god's will. lol... so in fact..... God commited jezus' suicide???
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Post by Administrator on Jan 15, 2006 0:08:42 GMT 1
So standing in front of an approaching train and deliberately not moving isn't suicide? It is. But getting nailed on a cross by some roman idiots isn't
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Nømad
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Post by Nømad on Jan 15, 2006 1:34:13 GMT 1
So standing in front of an approaching train and deliberately not moving isn't suicide? It is. But getting nailed on a cross by some roman idiots isn't It is if you know that's what'll happen if you go there. Same as you know you'll die if you step in front of a train.
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Jan 16, 2006 12:47:12 GMT 1
Post by :§OLO:*Ma-Mr.ZwÅn§y* on Jan 16, 2006 12:47:12 GMT 1
It is. But getting nailed on a cross by some roman idiots isn't It is if you know that's what'll happen if you go there. Same as you know you'll die if you step in front of a train. Well, what else should he do? Kill the soldiers and run away? Then he'd die aswell. And he *is* god's child, so *he* may *NOT* kill
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Jan 16, 2006 14:44:02 GMT 1
Post by Koraen on Jan 16, 2006 14:44:02 GMT 1
He could have walked away. He did that before when it wasn't "his time" yet
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Jan 16, 2006 14:47:54 GMT 1
Post by [m]undas on Jan 16, 2006 14:47:54 GMT 1
jesus knowing he would get nailed (lol, you know what i mean) doesnt mean that hes commiting suicide. theres a difference between "suicide" and "accepting death". it has to be seen differently, is, however, connected. euthanasia (sterbehilfe) belongs into the same pot. is it suicide if you tell someone to switch off devices that keep you alive cause youre too crippled to do it yourself? or is that euthanasia? or is it murder? if it is euthanasia, is it suicide or murder?
its a whole lot of questions, and the best example for this topics complexity is that it is actually still on topic on the second page. on the solo forum. and hell, that means alot.
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Jan 16, 2006 15:17:52 GMT 1
Post by :SOLO:BoNuss on Jan 16, 2006 15:17:52 GMT 1
cookies are great!
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Nømad
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Jan 16, 2006 15:49:45 GMT 1
Post by Nømad on Jan 16, 2006 15:49:45 GMT 1
Kill the soldiers and run away? Skip the killing part. Nothing wrong with walking away. is it suicide if you tell someone to switch off devices that keep you alive cause youre too crippled to do it yourself? Yes it is.
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Jan 16, 2006 21:10:03 GMT 1
Post by :§OLO:*Ma-Mr.ZwÅn§y* on Jan 16, 2006 21:10:03 GMT 1
Kill the soldiers and run away? Skip the killing part. Nothing wrong with walking away. How could he walk away? He'd get killed anyway. Everybody knew him..
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Nømad
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Jan 16, 2006 21:31:55 GMT 1
Post by Nømad on Jan 16, 2006 21:31:55 GMT 1
Skip the killing part. Nothing wrong with walking away. How could he walk away? He'd get killed anyway. Everybody knew him.. He was supposedly the son of god, Loel...
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~nimda[s]*
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Post by ~nimda[s]* on Jan 17, 2006 0:08:07 GMT 1
"Well, what else should he do? Kill the soldiers and run away? Then he'd die aswell." He knew he was gonne die days before the last meal=> suicide...
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Eccer
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Jan 17, 2006 14:56:06 GMT 1
Post by Eccer on Jan 17, 2006 14:56:06 GMT 1
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Jan 17, 2006 17:28:41 GMT 1
Post by Mama. on Jan 17, 2006 17:28:41 GMT 1
jesus didn't commit suicide he whas killed by blood lose sun and not enough fluids. i think. not that i believe he did all the same shit that has bin written. otherwise there would raise another person who could at least compare on some niveau . i think e whas just a guy with a lot of charisma who could do some funny stuff. ya gotta remember people in those days needed a guide and where very greedy to see somethin good. i can't deny that there has bin A jesus . but i do NOT believe that he's the son of god and that he could split water and all that shit. jesus is like all of us just a piece of evolution.
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Jan 17, 2006 18:04:21 GMT 1
Post by :§OLO:*Ma-Mr.ZwÅn§y* on Jan 17, 2006 18:04:21 GMT 1
jesus didn't commit suicide he whas killed by blood lose sun and not enough fluids. i think. not that i believe he did all the same shit that has bin written. otherwise there would raise another person who could at least compare on some niveau . i think e whas just a guy with a lot of charisma who could do some funny stuff. ya gotta remember people in those days needed a guide and where very greedy to see somethin good. i can't deny that there has bin A jesus . but i do NOT believe that he's the son of god and that he could split water and all that shit. jesus is like all of us just a piece of evolution. Word.
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PeA
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Jan 17, 2006 20:10:53 GMT 1
Post by PeA on Jan 17, 2006 20:10:53 GMT 1
but i do NOT believe that he's the son of god and that he could split water and all that shit. Mozes was the one who split water
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Nømad
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Jan 17, 2006 21:13:46 GMT 1
Post by Nømad on Jan 17, 2006 21:13:46 GMT 1
but i do NOT believe that he's the son of god and that he could split water and all that shit. Mozes was the one who split water So you're saying that the son of god himself can't do what a simple prophet can?
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Jan 17, 2006 22:49:11 GMT 1
Post by [m]undas on Jan 17, 2006 22:49:11 GMT 1
jesus had no need to, he could simply walk over it.
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~nimda[s]*
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Post by ~nimda[s]* on Jan 18, 2006 5:49:50 GMT 1
So if I stab someone or empoison someone they die from bloodloss and a heartattack?
I should use that one in the court of law next time...
You're good at projecting responsability...
Yes, he would run across, turning his head while he was sprinting, yelling "Good luck suckerzz!!!!!!!!"
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Post by Mama. on Jan 18, 2006 8:56:00 GMT 1
Mozes was the one who split water So you're saying that the son of god himself can't do what a simple prophet can? i appollagize whasn't sure. but than for sure another person would be born with at least a bit of the same powers with or without the staff. but still it's harder to believe than to have critism on a deity
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